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Fire Access Concerns Push Oswego Road Pole Barn Case to August, After Bid to Cut Setback From 25 Feet to 2.3 Feet

2026-07-13 · 2761 words
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Key Actions & Decisions

  • Case #2001: Applicant Greg Fischel of Allied Sign Company (3567 State Route 31) withdrew a request for a larger freestanding sign but won approval, 4-1 (Liebi opposed), for a third, non-illuminated wall sign matching the size of an existing oval sign.
  • Case #2005: Paul Licari (8894 Caughdenoy Road) withdrew his application for two setback variances tied to a proposed warehouse and parking area.
  • Case #2006: Sarah Vartabedian (9656 Beaver Watch Path) unanimously won a front yard setback reduction from 25 feet to 10 feet and a 6-foot fence height allowance, to gain backyard space and family privacy.
  • Case #2007: Ulrich Sign Co. Inc. (3687 State Route 31), represented by Chris McCaffrey, won approval 4-1 (Liebi opposed) to enlarge a freestanding sign from 32 to 40.11 square feet; Planning & Development Commissioner Brian Bender confirmed the applicant is acquiring the adjacent property to the west and is scheduled before the Planning Board on July 22.
  • Case #2008: Finger Lakes Construction (8247 Oswego Road), represented by Anthony Natale, sought a front yard setback reduction from 25 feet to 2.3 feet and a height increase from 12 to 18.4 feet for a pole barn. Code Enforcement Commissioner Joseph Grispino and Code Enforcement Officer Mike Brown said the barn as proposed would hinder fire department access; Grispino said Code Enforcement and the fire department had agreed a 10-foot setback would be "palatable." No vote was taken on the variances; the board voted unanimously to adjourn the hearing to August 10, and the applicant is expected to reconsider the barn's size.
  • Case #2009: Johann Weigl (200 Fletcher Drive) unanimously won a front yard setback reduction from 16.6 feet to 0 feet and a 6-foot fence height allowance to connect an existing chain-link fence, to be replaced with vinyl, to the house.
  • The board accepted the June 8, 2026 meeting minutes and voted to classify all new actions at the July 13 meeting as Type II under SEQR, resulting in a negative declaration.
  • The minutes contain two internal inconsistencies not resolved in the article: Case #2001's applicant is named "Greg Fischel" in the case caption but "Mr. Fishel" in the body text; and roll calls for Cases #2006-#2009 list a "Ms. DesRosiers" who does not appear on the meeting's Present or Absent rosters, in the seat Case #2001's roll call assigns to Michael Becker.

The Town of Clay Zoning Board of Appeals adjourned a contested pole barn variance on Oswego Road to August 10 after Code Enforcement and fire officials warned the requested setback would block firefighter access, while approving two sign variances on 4-1 votes and two fence variances unanimously at its July 13 meeting.

People
Robert Germain (Town Clerk) Vivian Mason (Zoning Board of Appeals Chairperson) Karen Liebi (ZBA Deputy Chairperson) Chelsea Clark (Zoning Board Secretary) Brian Bender (Town Engineer; also served as Commissioner of Planning & Development) Janet Rathburn (Resident, Freestone Road; frequent public commenter on BESS/development cases) Ryan Frantzis (ZBA Member) David Porter (ZBA Member) Mike Brown (Code Enforcement Officer) Michael Becker (ZBA Alternate Member)

Typeset from the official record — motions and recorded votes are detected automatically. The official copy governs.

Contents · 6 sections
  1. Case #2001 – Greg Fischel (Allied Sign Company), 3567 State Route 31, Tax Map #019.-02-
  2. Case #2005- Paul Licari, 8894 Caughdenoy Road, Tax Map #048.-01-06.0.:
  3. Case #2006 – Sarah Vartabedian, 9656 Beaver Watch Path, Tax Map ID #041.3-04-10.0.:
  4. Case #2007 – Ulrich Sign Co. Inc., 3687 State Route 31, Tax Map ID # 020.-01-06.1.:
  5. Case #2008 – Finger Lakes Construction, 8247 Oswego Road, Tax Map ID # 054.-02-18.0.:
  6. Case#2009 – Johann Weigl, 200 Fletcher Drive, Tax Map ID #111.-08-01.0.:

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DRAFT/UNAPPROVED

ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS

MINUTES OF MEETING

July 13, 2026

The Regular Meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga, State of New York, was held at the Clay Town Hall, 4401 New York State Route 31, Clay, New York on July 13, 2026. Chairperson Mason called the meeting to order at 6:00 P.M. and upon the roll being called the following were:

PRESENT:

Vivian Mason

Chairperson

Karen Liebi

Deputy Chairperson

Ryan Frantzis

Member

David Porter

Member

Michael Becker

Member

ABSENT:

None

OTHERS

PRESENT:

Robert Germain

Attorney

Brian Bender

Planning & Development Commissioner

Joseph Grispino

Code Enforcement Commissioner

Mike Brown

Code Enforcement Officer & MCFD Volunteer

Chelsea Clark

Zoning Board Secretary

All present participated in the Pledge of Allegiance.

MOTION made by Mr. Frantzis that the Minutes of the meeting of June 8, 2026, be accepted as

submitted. Motion was seconded by Mr. Porter. Unanimously carried.

MOTION made by Chairperson Mason for the purpose of the New York State Environmental

Quality Review (SEQR) all new actions tonight will be determined to be a Type II, and will be given a negative declaration, unless otherwise advised by our attorney. Mr. Liebi seconded motion. Unanimously carried.

OLD BUSINESS:

Case #2001 – Greg Fischel (Allied Sign Company), 3567 State Route 31, Tax Map #019.-02-

29.1.:

The applicant is seeking two Area Variances pursuant to Section 230-22C(1) – Maximum square footage for a Freestanding Sign, for an increase in square footage from the maximum 32 square feet to 59 square feet; and for an increase in the maximum number of wall signs from 2 to 3. The property is in the Highway-Commercial (HC-1) Zoning District.

The applicant was present.

The proof of publication and standards of proof were read at the June 8, 2026, Zoning Board meeting.

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Mr. Fishel explained they would like to withdraw their request for an Area Variance for a freestanding sign but wishes to proceed with the Area Variance request for 3 wall signs. The additional wall sign would be the same size as the existing oval sign, non-illuminated.

Chairperson Mason asked if there were any further comments or questions from the Board and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked Planning Commissioner Bender if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked Codes Commissioner Grispino if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked if anyone in the audience had any questions or comments and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak in favor of granting the Area Variance and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak against granting the Area Variance and there were none.

Chairperson Mason closed the hearing.

MOTION was made by Mr. Becker in Case #2001 to approve the Area Variance as requested

with the condition they be in substantial compliance with Exhibit “A”. Motion was seconded by Mr. Frantzis.

Roll Call:

Mr. Becker

- in favor

Mr. Porter

- in favor

Mr. Frantzis

- in favor

Mrs. Liebi

- opposed

Chairperson Mason

- in favor

Motion Carried.

Case #2005- Paul Licari, 8894 Caughdenoy Road, Tax Map #048.-01-06.0.:

The applicant is requesting two Area Variances pursuant to Section 230-17D(4)(b)[1][a] for a reduction in the front yard setback from 200 feet to 30 feet and Section 230-19A(5) for a reduction in Highway Overlay Type C setback from 115 feet to 54 feet to permit construction of a warehouse and accessory parking. The property is in the Industrial 2 (I-2) Zoning District.

The applicant has requested to withdraw their application.

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NEW BUSINESS:

Case #2006 – Sarah Vartabedian, 9656 Beaver Watch Path, Tax Map ID #041.3-04-10.0.:

The applicant is seeking two Area Variances pursuant to Section 230-13D(4)(c)[1] – Lot and Structure Dimensional Requirements, for a reduction in the front yard setback from 25 feet to 10 feet; and Section 230-20B(2)(b) to have a fence height of 6 feet between the street line and setback line. The property is in the One-Family Residential (R-10) Zoning District.

The secretary read the proof of publication.

The applicant was present.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to explain the need for Area Variances.

Ms. Vartabedian explained she would like the variances to be able to utilize as much backyard space as possible and install a fence for the safety and privacy of her family.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to address the Standards of Proof.

The applicant offered the following responses:

1. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variances will create an undesirable change to the character of the neighborhood.

2. The applicant does not believe there are other feasible methods other than the requested Area Variances as a 30-inch fence would not provide the desired level of privacy.

3. The applicant does believe the requested Area Variances are substantial.

4. The applicant does not believe there will be any adverse effect to the neighborhood. 5. The applicant acknowledged that the need for Area Variances is self-created.

Chairperson Mason asked if there were any further comments or questions from the Board and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked Planning Commissioner Bender if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked Codes Commissioner Grispino if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked if anyone in the audience had any questions or comments and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak in favor of granting the Area Variances and there were none.

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Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak against granting the Area Variances and there were none.

Chairperson Mason closed the hearing.

MOTION was made by Mrs. Liebi in Case #2006 to approve the Area Variances as requested

with the condition they be in substantial compliance with Exhibit “A”. Motion was seconded by Mr. Porter.

Roll Call:

Ms. DesRosiers

- in favor

Mr. Porter

- in favor

Mr. Frantzis

- in favor

Mrs. Liebi

- in favor

Chairperson Mason

- in favor Unanimously Carried.

Case #2007 – Ulrich Sign Co. Inc., 3687 State Route 31, Tax Map ID # 020.-01-06.1.:

The applicant is seeking an Area Variance pursuant to Section 230-22C(1) – Maximum square footage for a Freestanding Sign, with an increase in square footage from the maximum 32 square feet to 40.11 square feet to enlarge the face of the current sign. The property is in the Highway Commercial (HC-1) Zoning District.

The secretary read the proof of publication.

The applicant, Chris McCaffrey was present.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to explain the need for an Area Variance.

Mr. McCaffrey explained that he is proposing to remove the existing sign and replace it with a more modern, updated sign. The new sign would be designed to conceal the existing steel support beams, enhancing its overall appearance. Landscaping would also be installed around the base of the sign to further improve its aesthetics. Mr. McCaffrey stated that the proposed sign would also improve visibility and better identify the entrance to the property.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to address the Standards of Proof.

The applicant offered the following responses:

1. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variance will create an undesirable change to the character of the neighborhood as it would be similar to other signage in the area.

2. The applicant does not believe there are other feasible methods other than the requested Area Variance.

3. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variance are substantial as the request is consistent with others in the area.

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4. The applicant does not believe there will be any adverse effect to the neighborhood. 5. The applicant acknowledged that the need for an Area Variance is self-created.

Chairperson Mason asked if there were any further comments or questions from the Board.

Mrs. Liebi asked the applicant if the dealership was acquiring the property to the West.

Commissioner Bender confirmed they will be using the property to the West, and pointed out said area on the property map.

Mrs. Liebi expressed her like for the base of the proposed new sign but did not understand the need for an increase in size.

Mr. McCaffrey stated that Chevrolet only offers certain sizes of their signage and this is the smallest sign they offer that the applicant believes to be reasonable. The applicant reiterated that the request is only requesting an increase of 8 square feet.

Chairperson Mason asked Planning Commissioner Bender if he had any questions or comments.

Commissioner Bender stated the applicant is scheduled to be in front of the Planning Board, Wednesday 7/22.

Chairperson Mason asked Codes Commissioner Grispino if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked if anyone in the audience had any questions or comments and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak in favor of granting the Area Variance and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak against granting the Area Variance and there were none.

Chairperson Mason closed the hearing.

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MOTION was made by Mr. Porter in Case #2007 to approve the Area Variance as requested with

the condition they be in substantial compliance with Exhibit “A”. Motion was seconded by Mr. Frantzis.

Roll Call:

Ms. DesRosiers

- in favor

Mr. Porter

- in favor

Mr. Frantzis

- in favor

Mrs. Liebi

- opposed

Chairperson Mason

- in favor

Motion Carried.

Case #2008 – Finger Lakes Construction, 8247 Oswego Road, Tax Map ID # 054.-02-18.0.:

The applicant is seeking two Area Variances pursuant to Section 230-13D(4)(c)[1] - Lot and Structure Dimensional Requirements, for a reduction in the front yard setback from 25 feet to 2.3 feet; and Section 230-13D(4)(c)[4] for an increase in maximum height of an accessory structure from 12 feet to 18.4 feet to construct a pole barn. The property is in the One-Family Residential (R-10) Zoning District.

The secretary read the proof of publication.

Anthony Natale was present on behalf of the applicant.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to explain the need for Area Variances.

Mr. Natale explained they moved to this property 8-months ago and does not have enough garage space. They are looking to add a pole barn with a covered porch facing the backyard that would provide privacy and additional space for a future pool.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to address the Standards of Proof.

The applicant offered the following responses:

1. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variances will create an undesirable change to the character of the neighborhood as the proposed pole barn would be finished and trimmed.

2. The applicant does believe there are other feasible methods other than the requested Area Variances such as moving the proposed pole barn further back but adding it would be undesirable due to sloping and drainage concerns.

3. The applicant does believe the requested Area Variances are substantial.

4. The applicant does not believe there will be any adverse effect to the neighborhood. 5. The applicant acknowledged that the need for Area Variances is self-created.

Chairperson Mason asked if there were any further comments or questions from the Board and there were none.

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Chairperson Mason asked Planning Commissioner Bender if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked Codes Commissioner Grispino if he had any questions or comments.

Commissioner Grispino and Mike Brown stated the proposed barn would be too close to the road and would create serious challenges for firefighters should they need to access the area.

Mr. Frantzis asked the applicant if he would consider shrinking the pole barn to create space between the barn and the road.

Commissioner Grispino added that Code Enforcement and the Fire Department spoke and they both agreed that 10 feet would be palatable.

Chairperson Mason asked if anyone in the audience had any questions or comments.

Janet Rathburn, 4760 Freestone Road, asked why 18 feet in height.

The applicant stated the would be angled upward to allow for a 10 foot garage door which requires a header.

Ms. Rathburn asked if he would be operating a business out of the pole barn.

The applicant stated no, it would just be for personal use.

Commissioner Grispino asked if there would be living space in the pole barn.

The applicant confirmed there would be no living space in the barn.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak in favor of granting the Area Variances and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak against granting the Area Variances and there were none.

The applicant will consider changes to the size of the proposed barn.

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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS – July 13, 2026 Town of Clay

MOTION was made by Chairperson Mason in Case #2008 to adjourn the hearing to August 10,

2026. Motion was seconded by Mr. Frantzis.

Roll Call:

Ms. DesRosiers

- in favor

Mr. Porter

- in favor

Mr. Frantzis

- in favor

Mrs. Liebi

- in favor

Chairperson Mason

- in favor Unanimously Carried.

Case#2009 – Johann Weigl, 200 Fletcher Drive, Tax Map ID #111.-08-01.0.:

The applicant is seeking two Area Variances pursuant to Section 230-13D(4)(c)[1] – Lot and Structure Dimensional Requirements, for a reduction in the front yard setback from 16.6 feet to 0 feet; and Section 230-20B(2)(b) to have a fence height of 6 feet between the street line and setback line. The property is in the One-Family Residential (R-10) Zoning District.

The secretary read the proof of publication.

The applicant was present.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to explain the need for Area Variances.

The applicant explained they are looking to replace the existing chain link fence adding they are not looking to increase only connect the existing fence to the house. They would like to replace the chain link with a vinyl fence to provide privacy for their children.

Chairperson Mason asked the applicant to address the Standards of Proof.

The applicant offered the following responses:

1. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variances will create an undesirable change to the character of the neighborhood but would improve the homes aesthetic.

2. The applicant does not believe there are other feasible methods other than the requested Area Variances.

3. The applicant does not believe the requested Area Variances are substantial.

4. The applicant does not believe there will be any adverse effect to the neighborhood but would increase the value.

5. The applicant acknowledged that the need for Area Variances is self-created.

Chairperson Mason asked if there were any further comments or questions from the Board.

Mrs. Liebi asked why they were non-conforming.

The applicant stated the fence was existing when they purchased the property.

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Chairperson Mason asked Planning Commissioner Bender if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked Codes Commissioner Grispino if he had any questions or comments and he had none.

Chairperson Mason asked if anyone in the audience had any questions or comments and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak in favor of granting the Area Variances and there were none.

Chairperson Mason asked for those who would like to speak against granting the Area Variances and there were none.

Chairperson Mason closed the hearing.

MOTION was made by Mr. Porter in Case #2009 to approve the Area Variances as requested

with the condition they be in substantial compliance with Exhibit “A”. Motion was seconded by Mr. Frantzis.

Roll Call:

Ms. DesRosiers

- in favor

Mr. Porter

- in favor

Mr. Frantzis

- in favor

Mrs. Liebi

- in favor

Chairperson Mason

- in favor Unanimously Carried.

There being no further business, Chairperson Mason adjourned the meeting at 6:34 P.M.

Chelsea Clark, Secretary

Zoning Board of Appeals Town of Clay